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#1 2018-03-23 08:27

To the creators: What system are you using?

Soon it will be time. My old PC will be sent to hell where it belongs and I will get a new one.

My current specs are:
AMD FX(tm)-8350 8 Core 4.00GHz
16GB DDR3 RAM
Sapphire Radeon R9 270x 2gbVRAM

As my performance is quite bad when under heavy load, I will probably get this in April:
AMD Ryzen 2600x
16GB DDR4 RAM
and I cannot change my graphics card because of the current prices.
My budget is max. 750€.
(CPU 250€ / RAM ~ 200€ / Mainboard 100€ / Power Supply, Tower, Fans ~200€).

Creators, post your specs please and write a line how good or bad your performance in MMD is.
Any experiences in 4K and VR rendering will surely be interesting for many other users aswell.

2018-03-26 20:56

I read somewhere long ago that MMD doesn't use the graphics card, but only the CPU? Test to remove the graphics card from your current computer, and then re-render your most recent project. What will happen with the render speed then?

For a MMD speed increase on your current computer, why not render your projects to a (not yet bought) internal SSD, and then copy them afterwards to your usual HDD while you take a meal or sleep? A small SSD with room for one project would be enough. (Everyone, isn't it true that MMD needs CPU, memory and speedy storage, but not a good graphics card?)

I'm using a small form factor case desktop, homebuilt from new parts for 600 Euro in November 2015, optimised for Internet use instead of gaming. It has a speedy 4-core CPU, but the not so impressive GPU is integrated in the same die as the CPU. MMD runs as well as always on it, despite the lack of impressive graphics. Windows ran like a rocket on it in 2015, but runs quite slowly now, because every Windows update makes Windows slower.

This continous slowing down of already bought computers by Windows updates is what makes the PC industry survive. My wife's friend has 2007 dual core laptop with Windows Vista that has totally bogged down. The contents of her HDD is: 5 GB her own photos etc, 5 GB free space, 58 GB Windows updates and OS (OS=3 GB?). Over 80% of her HDD is filled with Windows updates. (So how much of the slowness you experience is because of Windows updates?)

2018-03-23 17:15

i have used many 3D render and video edit tools, not specific the MMD program but thats related software.
I can play most games on ultra settings with 1080p, even VR with Oculus Rift is working nicely on my computer.
specs, AMD fx9370 4,40 Ghz CPU, nvidea GTX1060 graphic, 16 GB 1600 Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x2TB Seagate SSHD "Fire Cuda" 150mb/s
the render time is oke'ish but i want allrdy better render times. to make your computer like mine you just need to get a better graphic card :3

750€ is a funny budget, you wont get anything much better than you have allrdy. you dont want a slight performance boost, you want a great improvement on your render time so use at least 1200€

the strongest low budged CPU on the Market atm is 8th generation Intel Core i7-8700K Processor "Coffee Lake" ~320€ you definetely want this one if you can not effort 900€ for Intel Core i9-7900X Prozessor or AMD RYZEN™ THREADRIPPER 1950X

AMD Ryzen 5 1600x, AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, AMD Ryzen 1800X is no good idea, these are pretty weak processors you wont notice big improvement. this processors are optimized for players and artists who are doing livestream videos

for rendering RAM is also important, buy 32(2x16)GB DDR4 RAM 3000 Mhz ~400€ and make sure your motherboard support 3000Mhz RAM ~150€

you will need new power supply with 650 WATT or more ~70€

I can not recoment to buy a graphic card atm. wait until AMD and Intel release their new series later this year. If you want to grab a graphiccard anyways than buy nvida GTX1060 ~300€ or GTX1070 ~500€

allmost forgot. A solid state drive is important for video edit and 3D render, the better your SSD is the faster it gonna load, copy and save. ~100~500€ depends on how much space you want. SSHD is a cheap alternative, it loads like 5 times faster than a HDD ~100€

2018-03-24 21:58

As heavensBait says, If this is not already the case, try working on an SSD before changing your computer, you should have a speed boost compared to an HDD. If you really want to change config take a motherboard Socket 1151 (price between 170 € and 230 €) with an Intel processor 8th generation (370 € approximate price) and a little more than 200 € for 16g ram ddr4. In my opinion a ssd will make a big difference on its own, you will only be limited by your processor.

2018-03-24 02:59

I have used MMD on two computers. The one I normally use has a Intel Pentium D dual core processor running at 3.0 GHz with 8 GB of RAM. This computer has a XFX Radeon R9 390 video card with 8 GB of video RAM and a SSD. This computer has Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit. I recently was given a newer computer with an Intel i3 dual core processor running at 3.70 GHz with 8 GB of RAM. This computer has Windows 10 Home 64 Bit. Despite being a newer computer with a faster processor and the same amount of RAM, MMD works much better on my older computer with the much nicer video card. Unfortunately my newer computer has tiny little case, so it would be impossible to put the XFX video card in this computer.

2018-03-24 01:49

goishikaigan mademou, have you tried using the free CCleaner program to clean up all the junk that the Windows updates leave behind? That may help speed things up a bit.

2018-03-24 02:23

Goishikaigan - I highly doubt that MMD only uses the CPU. Effects are written in a shader language specifically designed for GPUs so it would be the biggest waste of resources ever to make the CPU do it. If it's possible to run MMD on a computer without a GPU, I imagine there's some emulation going on either on MMD's side or on the OS's side, but I don't imagine it works like that unless it absolutely need's to.

2018-03-24 15:57

Oh, MME needs the GPU, I didn't know that. (I might have read info from the old MMD 7.39 era, when less effects were used?)
Anyway, suppose you compare a computer optimised for gaming with one optimised for MMD/MME. I wonder if MME can manage with a simpler and less costly GPU:s than for gaming? Whereas speedy writing SSD storage is more needed for MMD than for gaming?

2018-03-24 16:27

I'm using GTX550Ti with i5-3550. Just make as much of your work as possible without any effects. Apply those only prior to render.

2018-03-25 11:26

to make a difference of gaming computers and workstations is old fashioned, because 10 years ago software was minimalistic and games was excessive but today software eats alot of ressources aswell, if you work in a VR enviroment or if you are useing 3D software its basicly a game engine. hell even your web browser eats more ressorces than your games if you open many tabs. also games unusally use 2-3 cores of your CPU. a workload intensive software is going to use all avaible cores and it has no limits, means the better your computer the faster it will work.

2018-03-25 16:48

I'm using a rather old system:
AMD Phenom 4-core 910e 2.6 GHz (this CPU was originally released in 2010! Mine is still chugging along just fine)
8 gigs of ram
NVidia GeForce GTX 750 ti
3x WD 640 GB 7200 RPM HDs

For MMD rendering, 3 models + stage + MME effects including Raycast is about all it can handle. Trying to add more than 3 models really bogs it down. I've only tried rendering up to 1920x1080 resolution, and getting 60 fps can be challenge. I doubt it could handle 4K rendering.

2018-03-26 20:57

Ley Line Walker, I just did a 4K test render for you. I re-rendered the last 1800 frames of this video, the kissing scene: http://ecchi.iwara.tv/videos/lyz8qsozqf85qq3a , without the FluidSimulation 2.0 effect loaded (the WaterSourceBone1 was never loaded).
The 2015 computer I'm using has a 4-core "AMD A8-6500 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics 3.5 GHz" and 4 GB RAM. (An APU is when the GPU is integrated in the CPU, with the same cache and die). This computer has a SSD C: drive with Windows, MMD and all MMD input files, but I rendered the output AVI file to the HDD G: drive.

Result:
A 30 fps 1080x1920 render to a 14.56 GB raw AVI file took 4:36 minutes.
A 30 fps 2160x3840 render to a 58.35 GB raw AVI file took 17:04 minutes.

Conclusion: You don't need a new better computer for 4K. You only need the patience to give your CPU four times longer worktime. My suggestion: Keep making your videos as 1K as usual. Upload them as unlisted and watch them multiple times to find and root out all glitches. When you are completely satisfied, delete the unlisted upload, do a 4K render while you sleep, and then upload it as 4K the next day.

(Any old 2-core laptop can probably render a typical 4K video within 20 hours, from 22 pm one evening to 18 pm the next afternoon? Overnight batch jobs is an old classic from the earliest days of computers...)

2018-03-27 04:00

Intel Core i7 7700K 4.20GHz
DDR4 32GB 3000MHz
NVIDIA GTX980Ti
M.2 512GB SSD 256GB HDD1TB NAS4TB

MMD PmxEditor Aviutl
Main Effect(Ray-mmd 1.5.0, Water2_low_湖, AutoLuminuous, ObjectLuminous, o_SelfOverlay, o_LikeHDR, PowerDOF, MotionBlur, NL_Means)
It does not actually measure the time, but takes about
10~15 minutes at FHD 60p
15~25 minutes at 2K 60p
50~80 minutes at 4K 60p
It depends on the number of effects and the number of characters, but it is a feeling.

2018-03-27 08:44

Wow, nice setup @F_dry and helpful entry.
Just to compare this to my current system: (for the laughs)
1920x1080 60fps ~2 hours
1440p 60fps ~6-7(!) hours
4k crash xD

I will probably go for a powercolor rx 580 now in addition to the ryzen 2600x.

2018-03-27 15:18
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I will probably go for a powercolor rx 580 now in addition to the ryzen 2600x.

dang. dont you read? you gonna buy stuff no difference to your actuall hardware :0

your rendertimes are probably so long because your system isnt working properly, it can be way faster. try tune up software like MAGIX PC Check & Tuning on Steam.

I would focus to buy an SSD if you dont have it allrdy

2018-03-27 16:03

I have no clue how you (and others in this topic) come to such a questionable conclusion, that my system, which performs incredibly bad in every benchmark, would be on the same level as a new system with completely different chipset-architectures and much faster system components on. every. single. level.

And yes, I already own several SSDs :P

2018-03-27 20:17

Ley Line Walker, your current computer has twice as many cores as mine, 0.5 GHz higher clock frequency than mine, four times more RAM than mine and yet a 1080p render takes you hours instead of minutes on mine. How can this be possible? My experience is that every stalled computer I've handled so far had a severly anti-optimal file content on the C: drive. The longer people own their computers, the less optimal become their C: drive contents.

The remedy is simple and cheap. Move your current C: drive one step up, so it becomes the new D: drive. Then make a fresh install of Windows 7 on a newly bought 100 Euro size SSD as the new C: drive.

2018-03-27 18:00

> How can this be possible?

Okay~ let's check the MME you're using. Alright, I got it. AdultShader.

I appreciate the energy you put into our analysis. Unfortunately I don't think they make much sense as we use MMD in completely different ways.

Your analysis of my computer system is unfortunately not helping at all, too. Because I neither have MMD installed on my C: drive, nor is my system in a "bad" state, like you and some others asserted already multiple times.

edit: i edited the initial post to make clear that this topic was not meant to be a help-request (if it was, I would have posted it in the help section of this board). It's meant to be a collection/exchange about the systems that MMD-creators use to make their content.

2018-03-27 18:19

because this new architecture is not 200% more efficient, its at best 20% better than your actual hardware. you gonna be dissapointed when benchmark.

yea i didnt consider that you are useing many big effects, ofc it can take hours. the recomended software was just an idea, since it improved the performence of my pc to a noteable amount.

in your entrence post you was more concernd about buying a computer than anything else, you even name a budged. so we made this into a consultation tread D;

2018-03-28 08:06

intel i7 3770k and NVidia 660 16gb ram
renders 70% 2k of videos in a few hours.
unless you have a massive tv i wouldn't recommend going for 4k. as much as there is an interest to one up everything, the waiting time is not worth something you can't fully experience. only place I could shove my 2k videos was youtube, but they botch the quality something fierce.

2018-04-09 10:09

i7-7820x
32GB 3000Mhz
Samsung Pro 960 M.2 512GB
Corsair MP500 M.2 480GB
1080ti

It doesn't take long to render anything 1080p, minutes but don't remember exactly since I haven't render anything lately.
Number of CPU cores doesn't determine how fast you can render MMD videos. This is quite obvious if you ever read any CPU benchmark articles.
CPU architecture are different, number of L1, L2, L3 cache memory, clock speed etc. It also depends on how well the software/video encoder can utilize multi processing capability.

One thing I highly recommend for OP though. Since you made a lot of videos with 2 or 3 models, you should consider investing in more RAM. It makes a huge difference going from 16 to 32GB.

As for a video card, anything that can run directx 10 well should be fine. MMD/MME doesn't require latest and greatest video card anyway.

Good luck!

2018-04-15 00:03

Core i7 @ 2.2Ghz
8 GB RAM
Nvidia 650M 2GB
1 TB 5200 rpm HDD
Its a mid range setup.
I can usually render a 3 minute video 1080p@60fps within an hour though idk.

2018-06-14 14:21

4790k, 8GB RAM, 1080 Ti
Rendering to a raid0 setup of 2 SSDs

a 4K/60FPS render with the UTvideo codec takes 2m30sec for 1000 frames. Raycast 1.5.0 with multiple light-sources.

When you render in 4K and high framerate the biggest bottleneck will be you harddrives write-speed. By combining two SSDs, I easily halved my render time.

2018-07-26 08:34

CPU:R7-1800X
Mother Board:MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
Display Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GAMING TRIO
RAM:G.SKILL Trident Z 8G*4 (32GB)
SSD:Kingston KC1000 480GB PCIe Gen3 x 4, NVMe (M.2 2280)
HDD:WD BLACK 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB CacheMemory
SSHD :Seagate FireCuda 2TB 128MB Cache buffer
POWER:CORSAIR 750HX 80Plus Platinum
CPU Fan:Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 280
Keyboard:B.Friend GK3
Mouse:B.Friend GM3
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This is my personal PC I am currently using....

2018-08-05 16:26

Well I'm on the low end of the performance spec:

Pentium G4560
8GB DDR4 RAM
MSI H110I Pro mini ITX motherboard
4GB RX 460 GPU
120GB SSD for the OS and some software
2x 1TB drives for games and random stuff
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo cooler
Thermaltake Core V1 case with fans undervolted to 5v (because silence is gold)
23" Dell P2314H monitor + budget Microlab bookshelf speakers

2018-09-10 22:34

MMD only uses one thread. Only when you actually render, more cores are being used by the codec you choose.
So basically (and sadly) a fast quad or hexacore is still the best for MMD. Hyper threading (HT) is not supported and may even decrease speed.
Here you can find a listing with the fastest CPUs for single thread applications: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

If you use raymmd, then a potent GPU (GTX970 or GTX1050) is needed.
With an nvidia card force the highest AA and AF settings of your card in your driver menu.
With an AMD card use AA at "application settings" (otherwise glitches) and AF at maximum. There is a good SMAA plugin around to regain AA.
Deactivate the mipmap option in the "view" dropdown menu of MMD; This setting muddys the textures.

2018-09-11 23:49

>If you use raymmd, then a potent GPU (GTX970 or GTX1050) is needed.
I use raymmd with a GT 420M.

2018-10-29 06:17

new system:
i7 8700k @5.1G
32GB ddr4-3200
asrock z370 taichi
zotac gtx 1080ti
coolermaster v1000 psu

sandisk ultra 3d ssd 1TB (editing)
samsung 970 evo m.2 (main)
toshiba 12tb helium hdd

custom loop for cpu

old system, collecting dust:
i7-4790k@4.5G
16GB ddr3-1600
asrock z97 extreme 4
zotac gtx 1070
fsp 600W psu

sandisk ultra plus ssd 128GB(main)
toshiba 2TB HDD
WD green 2TB HDD
coolermaster 240 clc

janky freenas box:
pentium g4600
8GB DDR4
gigabyte H310M
toshiba 3TB hdd x4

2018-12-29 20:27

so i upgrade my computer since my cpu has serious heat problems lately and it is allrdy to weak for new games like assassins creed odyssey, Ni no Kuni II and shadow of the tomb raider.

in 3DMark my System advance from ~11.000 points to ~16.000 points, thats a 40% improvement baby :*

My new PC is an allround setup to have best gaming experience and best use as a Workstation

Mainboard; GIGABYTE 990FX-Gaming 1 released 2015 ----> Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra Gaming released 2018
CPU; AMD fx9370 220W 8 cores, 8 threads 4,4 ~ 4,7 Ghz released 2013 ----> AMD Ryzen 7 2700x 105W, 8 cores, 16 threads 3,7 ~ 4,35 Ghz released 2018
SDRAM; Kingston HyperX 2x8 Gb DDR3 1600 Mhz, CL11 released 2014 ---> Ballistix Sport LT 2x8 Gb DDR4 3000 Mhz, PC4-24000 released 2018
System Drive; Seagate FireCuda 2TB SSHD 150 mb/s from 2016 ----> Western Digital 1tb SATA SSD 560 mb/s from 2017
GPU; Still Zotac GTX 1060, 6 Gb GDDR5 from 2016 im going to buy Zotac RTX 2070 mini 8Gb DDR6 OC soon, its pretty cheap at 600€ and will improve my graphics by 90% i will not bother with RTX 2080 or RTX 2080ti its better to buy a mid-range high performance graphiccard instead of an 900€ or 1200€ card. in 2-3 years its time to buy a new graphicscard anyways because technology is making big changes every year. So an RTX 2080ti will look like a ninosaur at that point.
power suply; Be Quiet 530W Bronze
Monitors; Acer Predator 61cm, 24 inch, 1080p, 1ms, 144hz from 2014 + Acer Predator 80cm, 32 inch, 1440p, 1ms, 144hz from 2018
next; a 50 inch 4K PC monitor by Acer :3
VR; Oculus Rift <3

i was allways AMD enthusiast im happy their new Hardware is so good atm :3 their 7nm CPU/graphiccards coming 2019 ;D

2018-12-03 07:56

I upgraded some parts.

Intel Core i7 7700K 4.20GHz
DDR4 32GB64GB 3000MHz
NVIDIA GTX980Ti1080Ti
M.2 512GB SSD 256GB HDD1TB NAS4TB +HDD4TB

MMD PmxEditor Aviutl+Adobe Premiere Pro CC
Main Effect(Ray-mmd 1.5.0, Water2_low_湖, AutoLuminuous, ObjectLuminous, o_SelfOverlay, o_LikeHDR, PowerDOF, MotionBlur, NL_Means)
It does not actually measure the time, but takes about
(Output of about 6500F) 10~15 minutes at FHD 60p
(Output of about 6500F) 15~25 minutes at 2K 60p
(Output of about 3500F) 50~8010~20 minutes at 4K 60p

There is no difference in output speed due to memory differences. It seems that 980 Ti is slightly faster for Full HD and 2K. (I also saw the article somewhere about this)
The dramatic change is the output of 4K. 3500F output is surely exceeding 4000 F because MMD stops. (It seems that it is probably the specification of MMD)

2018-12-05 03:51

Did adding more RAM make MMD work any better? I have head that MMD only uses 2 gigs of RAM max.

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